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	<title>Comments on: Ticketed? Stall &#8216;em</title>
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		<title>By: Harley P</title>
		<link>http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/ticketed-stall-em/comment-page-1/#comment-23460</link>
		<dc:creator>Harley P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely ethical.  Anything that doesn&#039;t break a rule is &quot;ethical.&quot;  Do what you can because they sure as Hell will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely ethical.  Anything that doesn&#8217;t break a rule is &#8220;ethical.&#8221;  Do what you can because they sure as Hell will.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Rogers</title>
		<link>http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/ticketed-stall-em/comment-page-1/#comment-23368</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be unethical for a cop to plant evidence on a suspect he knew to be guilty?  I mean, no epistemic questions about it...guilty...maybe this should be at Point of Law, but ever since I watched &lt;i&gt;L.A. Confidential&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;ve always wondered about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be unethical for a cop to plant evidence on a suspect he knew to be guilty?  I mean, no epistemic questions about it&#8230;guilty&#8230;maybe this should be at Point of Law, but ever since I watched <i>L.A. Confidential</i> I&#8217;ve always wondered about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave D</title>
		<link>http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/ticketed-stall-em/comment-page-1/#comment-23331</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a layman I found with my last 2 tickets that getting every continuance I could and then demanding a jury trial made them go away. Not ethical you say? Well when the 
cops start acting ethically so will I. I was convicted
on a ticket I was totally innocent of because the 
cop told a lie and swore to it. I&#039;m playing by their 
rules from now on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a layman I found with my last 2 tickets that getting every continuance I could and then demanding a jury trial made them go away. Not ethical you say? Well when the<br />
cops start acting ethically so will I. I was convicted<br />
on a ticket I was totally innocent of because the<br />
cop told a lie and swore to it. I&#8217;m playing by their<br />
rules from now on.</p>
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		<title>By: William Nuesslein</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Nuesslein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of my pleaded guilty to speeding and was willing, if not happy, to pay a fine. Yes he broke the law, but he in no way was a reckless driver. What he did not understand was that his speeding was in a school zone where the speed limit was very low. Charles Manson got a better deal than this poor guy. In his case, he was underlawyered!

It is ethical to use continuances to get the best deal for a client. Lawyers have a lot of discretion in defense strategy. Generally a good faith conversation with a prosecutor will do the trick as far a justice is concerned. Judges and prosecutors have their discretions too. A good judge will throw the book against those who abuse the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of my pleaded guilty to speeding and was willing, if not happy, to pay a fine. Yes he broke the law, but he in no way was a reckless driver. What he did not understand was that his speeding was in a school zone where the speed limit was very low. Charles Manson got a better deal than this poor guy. In his case, he was underlawyered!</p>
<p>It is ethical to use continuances to get the best deal for a client. Lawyers have a lot of discretion in defense strategy. Generally a good faith conversation with a prosecutor will do the trick as far a justice is concerned. Judges and prosecutors have their discretions too. A good judge will throw the book against those who abuse the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Rogers</title>
		<link>http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/ticketed-stall-em/comment-page-1/#comment-23297</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is Euthyphro when you need him?  Thank you for the sobering disappointment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is Euthyphro when you need him?  Thank you for the sobering disappointment.</p>
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		<title>By: gitarcarver</title>
		<link>http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/ticketed-stall-em/comment-page-1/#comment-23294</link>
		<dc:creator>gitarcarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And how are you defining ethical and good cause?&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;ethical:&lt;/b&gt; being in accordance with the rules or standards for right conduct or practice,

&lt;b&gt;good cause: &lt;/b&gt;is not delaying simply for the sake of delay in order to clog up the system, wasting time and resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And how are you defining ethical and good cause?</i></p>
<p><b>ethical:</b> being in accordance with the rules or standards for right conduct or practice,</p>
<p><b>good cause: </b>is not delaying simply for the sake of delay in order to clog up the system, wasting time and resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Rogers</title>
		<link>http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/ticketed-stall-em/comment-page-1/#comment-23292</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many a defendant wish such a deal was that easy.  But, alas, in one corner we have a witness who is a sworn officer, credible but also fallible.  In the other corner, John Doe Driver.  And how are you defining &lt;i&gt;ethical&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;good cause?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many a defendant wish such a deal was that easy.  But, alas, in one corner we have a witness who is a sworn officer, credible but also fallible.  In the other corner, John Doe Driver.  And how are you defining <i>ethical</i> and <i>good cause?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Its not ethical to tell the defendant to request a continuance without a good cause.
2. the response by todd rogers is just a delay tactic.  Make a deal with the prosecuting attorney and get it over with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Its not ethical to tell the defendant to request a continuance without a good cause.<br />
2. the response by todd rogers is just a delay tactic.  Make a deal with the prosecuting attorney and get it over with.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me propose a hypothetical to Walter&#039;s question: What if the defendant was mistakenly ticketed; say two cars were travelling closely.  One fast-moving car had just passed a slow-moving car and the issuing officer erroneously ticketed the vehicle which was not breaking the law.  Would such tactics be justified?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me propose a hypothetical to Walter&#8217;s question: What if the defendant was mistakenly ticketed; say two cars were travelling closely.  One fast-moving car had just passed a slow-moving car and the issuing officer erroneously ticketed the vehicle which was not breaking the law.  Would such tactics be justified?</p>
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