Comments on: My Right to Remain Silent – And, No “Papers” Either Copper! http://overlawyered.com/2008/08/my-right-to-remain-silent-%e2%80%93-and-no-%e2%80%9cpapers%e2%80%9d-either-copper/ Chronicling the high cost of our legal system Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:26:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jim Collins http://overlawyered.com/2008/08/my-right-to-remain-silent-%e2%80%93-and-no-%e2%80%9cpapers%e2%80%9d-either-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-27035 Jim Collins Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:07:18 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7403#comment-27035 There may not be a law requiring him to show his ID to the Police, but I can bet there is a Federal law against photographing military vehicles and equipment in transit. He might just want to plead guilty and keep a low profile. There may not be a law requiring him to show his ID to the Police, but I can bet there is a Federal law against photographing military vehicles and equipment in transit. He might just want to plead guilty and keep a low profile.

]]> By: Jason Barney http://overlawyered.com/2008/08/my-right-to-remain-silent-%e2%80%93-and-no-%e2%80%9cpapers%e2%80%9d-either-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-27008 Jason Barney Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:23:36 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7403#comment-27008 Maybe he's almost as narcissistic as John Edwards. Maybe he’s almost as narcissistic as John Edwards.

]]> By: Paul http://overlawyered.com/2008/08/my-right-to-remain-silent-%e2%80%93-and-no-%e2%80%9cpapers%e2%80%9d-either-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-27005 Paul Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:17:23 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7403#comment-27005 What about the attorney's bio? And the intern?!! WOW! What about the attorney’s bio? And the intern?!! WOW!

]]> By: gitarcarver http://overlawyered.com/2008/08/my-right-to-remain-silent-%e2%80%93-and-no-%e2%80%9cpapers%e2%80%9d-either-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-26991 gitarcarver Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:39:27 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7403#comment-26991 There is another article about this here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/crime/story/436614.html It appears that Jones approached a fence that was inside port property. When the police asked him for ID to issue a trepass warning, he refused to give them his ID. A side note from the article: <i>Jones attended his arraignment wearing a gray jumpsuit with the word “Lawyer” emblazoned on the back. He and about half a dozen supporters bound their wrists with black plastic zip ties during the hearing.</i> There is another article about this here:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/crime/story/436614.html

It appears that Jones approached a fence that was inside port property. When the police asked him for ID to issue a trepass warning, he refused to give them his ID.

A side note from the article:
Jones attended his arraignment wearing a gray jumpsuit with the word “Lawyer” emblazoned on the back. He and about half a dozen supporters bound their wrists with black plastic zip ties during the hearing.

]]> By: Todd Rogers http://overlawyered.com/2008/08/my-right-to-remain-silent-%e2%80%93-and-no-%e2%80%9cpapers%e2%80%9d-either-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-26985 Todd Rogers Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:52:24 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7403#comment-26985 The details are lacking in the linked story. Though this was a port and was having a delivery of items perhaps owned by the military, I would not recommend to anyone, anywhere, at anytime, to consider approaching the fence at any military installation while arms of any kind are housed or in transport. I know first hand that in such cases, the rules get a little favorable to the interests of order as opposed to freedom. Ft. Lewis is essentially an infantry post, which also contains special forces units, so it's not unlikely that said equipment might have included things deemed dangerous, sensitive, or both. Hence, if you look even a little suspicious, and approach a barrier which separates you from this "stuff," you can pretty safely expect to get pulled aside, if not told to get in to the black SUV to have a little chat. The details are lacking in the linked story. Though this was a port and was having a delivery of items perhaps owned by the military, I would not recommend to anyone, anywhere, at anytime, to consider approaching the fence at any military installation while arms of any kind are housed or in transport. I know first hand that in such cases, the rules get a little favorable to the interests of order as opposed to freedom. Ft. Lewis is essentially an infantry post, which also contains special forces units, so it’s not unlikely that said equipment might have included things deemed dangerous, sensitive, or both. Hence, if you look even a little suspicious, and approach a barrier which separates you from this “stuff,” you can pretty safely expect to get pulled aside, if not told to get in to the black SUV to have a little chat.

]]> By: Matt http://overlawyered.com/2008/08/my-right-to-remain-silent-%e2%80%93-and-no-%e2%80%9cpapers%e2%80%9d-either-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-26978 Matt Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:42:41 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7403#comment-26978 See papersplease.org See papersplease.org

]]> By: Frank http://overlawyered.com/2008/08/my-right-to-remain-silent-%e2%80%93-and-no-%e2%80%9cpapers%e2%80%9d-either-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-26977 Frank Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:39:00 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7403#comment-26977 Was he trespassing? he was at a demonstration - was it solo? He is reported as having been "approaching a fence" That puts him outside whatever is fenced off. What ID must we show to the police? Most states do not issue any required identification papers. Neither does the federal government, bearing in mind that Social Security cards are declared to be "not for use" as identification. Was he trespassing? he was at a demonstration – was it solo? He is reported as having been “approaching a fence” That puts him outside whatever is fenced off.

What ID must we show to the police? Most states do not issue any required identification papers. Neither does the federal government, bearing in mind that Social Security cards are declared to be “not for use” as identification.

]]> By: Bill Smith http://overlawyered.com/2008/08/my-right-to-remain-silent-%e2%80%93-and-no-%e2%80%9cpapers%e2%80%9d-either-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-26975 Bill Smith Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:22:36 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7403#comment-26975 Todd, that isn't what SCOTUS said. SCOTUS said that a state could have a law requiring you to identify yourself on demand. I dunno if the state of Washington has such a law. Todd, that isn’t what SCOTUS said. SCOTUS said that a state could have a law requiring you to identify yourself on demand.

I dunno if the state of Washington has such a law.

]]> By: Todd Rogers http://overlawyered.com/2008/08/my-right-to-remain-silent-%e2%80%93-and-no-%e2%80%9cpapers%e2%80%9d-either-copper/comment-page-1/#comment-26971 Todd Rogers Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:49:41 +0000 http://overlawyered.com/?p=7403#comment-26971 Didn't SCOTUS settle this question about three or four years ago? I recall one justice wrote that with reasonable suspicion, a brief stop to check ID was allowable under the 4th Amnd. and had some implication to the 5th, as well. Didn’t SCOTUS settle this question about three or four years ago? I recall one justice wrote that with reasonable suspicion, a brief stop to check ID was allowable under the 4th Amnd. and had some implication to the 5th, as well.

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