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	<title>Comments on: State marriage amendments: thumbs down</title>
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		<title>By: Election observations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Election observations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in California and elsewhere ignored the urgings of this site and wrote anti-same-sex-marriage provisions into their constitutions. There are many possible [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Twitter for 2008-09-20</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitter for 2008-09-20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 04:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] editorialize against state (anti-gay) marriage amendments [Overlawyered] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Deoxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deoxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with SmokeVanThorn, in that amending the constitution is certainly a democratic process.

I would also, in some sense, agree with Walter that a &quot;nothing in this constitution shall be construed&quot; amendment could achieve the IMMEDIATE result (no judicially mandated SSM) more easily.

Unfortunately, I just don&#039;t think people think that way - if we are enacting this to prevent SSM (and that&#039;s the way people usually think), then let&#039;s just prevent SSM, eh?

Actually, I think there are several sex/gender issues that could use some clarification, and that SSM issues could be a byproduct of doing that, but none of that stokes people&#039;s emotions (one way or the other) enough to actually get anything done.

It&#039;s similar to abortion - the abortion procedure is what gets people fired up (for or against), but the real problem and point of disagreement is defining when &quot;personhood&quot; begins, we just can&#039;t get people fired up about that enough to really deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with SmokeVanThorn, in that amending the constitution is certainly a democratic process.</p>
<p>I would also, in some sense, agree with Walter that a &#8220;nothing in this constitution shall be construed&#8221; amendment could achieve the IMMEDIATE result (no judicially mandated SSM) more easily.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I just don&#8217;t think people think that way &#8211; if we are enacting this to prevent SSM (and that&#8217;s the way people usually think), then let&#8217;s just prevent SSM, eh?</p>
<p>Actually, I think there are several sex/gender issues that could use some clarification, and that SSM issues could be a byproduct of doing that, but none of that stokes people&#8217;s emotions (one way or the other) enough to actually get anything done.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s similar to abortion &#8211; the abortion procedure is what gets people fired up (for or against), but the real problem and point of disagreement is defining when &#8220;personhood&#8221; begins, we just can&#8217;t get people fired up about that enough to really deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: SmokeVanThorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmokeVanThorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing &quot;undemocratic&quot; about the people of a state VOTING to change their constitution.  

If times change, the people can vote again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing &#8220;undemocratic&#8221; about the people of a state VOTING to change their constitution.  </p>
<p>If times change, the people can vote again.</p>
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