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		<title>Schools for Misrule spring speaking tour</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Walter Olson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[cross-posted from Cato at Liberty]
The first copies of my new book Schools for Misrule: Legal Academia and an Overlawyered America are here from the printer, and I&#8217;ll be touring the country to promote it in coming weeks. Some highlights: 

February 21. Bloomington, Ind. Indiana University Law School, sponsored by Federalist Society chapter.
February 22. Urbana-Champaign, Ill. [...]]]></description>
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<p>The first copies of my new book <a href="http://www.cato.org/store/books/schools-misrule-legal-academia-overlawyered-america">Schools for Misrule: Legal Academia and an Overlawyered America</a> are here from the printer, and I&#8217;ll be touring the country to promote it in coming weeks. Some highlights: </p>
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<li><strong>February 21.</strong> Bloomington, Ind. Indiana University Law School, sponsored by Federalist Society chapter.</li>
<li><strong>February 22.</strong> Urbana-Champaign, Ill. University of Illinois School of Law, sponsored by Federalist Society chapter. Commenting will be Prof. Larry Ribstein. </li>
<li><strong>March 3.</strong> Washington, D.C. Cato Institute Policy Forum. Commenting on the book will be the Hon. Douglas Ginsburg, U.S. Court of Appeals, and moderating will be Cato legal director Roger Pilon.</li>
<li><strong>March 10.</strong> University of Minnesota, sponsored by Federalist Society chapter. Commenting will be Profs. Brad Clary and Oren Gross, and moderating will be Prof. Dale Carpenter.</li>
<li><strong>March 16.</strong> New York, N.Y. Manhattan Institute luncheon (invitation). Commenting will be James Copland, Manhattan Institute. </li>
<li><strong>March 22.</strong> Washington, D.C. Heritage Foundation forum. Commenting/moderating: Todd Gaziano, Heritage Foundation. </li>
<li><strong>March 28.</strong> Boulder, Colo. University of Colorado School of Law, sponsored by Federalist Society chapter.</li>
<li><strong>March 29.</strong> Laramie, Wyo. University of Wyoming School of Law, sponsored by Federalist Society chapter. </li>
<li><strong>March 30.</strong> Sacramento, Calif. McGeorge School of Law, sponsored by Federalist Society chapter.</li>
<li><strong>April 6.</strong> New York, N.Y. Manhattan Institute Young Leaders evening event (private). </li>
<li><strong>April 7.</strong> Washington, D.C. American University Law School, sponsored by Federalist Society chapter. </li>
<li><strong>April 13.</strong> Washington, D.C. Book club appearance (private).</li>
<li><strong>April 27-29.</strong> Dallas, Tex. Heritage Foundation Resource Bank meeting (private).</li>
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<p>Always check in advance with the hosting group for venues and exact times; some events open to the public require advance registration. The book&#8217;s official publication date is March 1, and copies should be arriving in the bookstores soon.</p>

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		<title>Gerry Spence to trial lawyers: &#8220;We are the most important people in America&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Walter Olson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Wyoming-based legal gunslinger spoke at the annual conference of the Consumer Attorneys of California, and (U.S. Chamber-backed) Legal NewsLine took down some audience-rousing quotes that went pretty far even by grandiose Spence standards: &#8220;We are the most important people in America&#8230; I want to ask you which would be more important: If all of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wyoming-based legal gunslinger spoke at the annual conference of the Consumer Attorneys of California, and (U.S. Chamber-backed) Legal NewsLine took down some audience-rousing quotes that went pretty far even by grandiose Spence standards: &#8220;We are the most important people in America&#8230; I want to ask you which would be more important: If all of the doctors in the country somehow disappeared or all the trial lawyers in America somehow disappeared?&#8221; he asked. &#8220;We can live without medical care, but we cannot live without justice.&#8221; (Chris Rizo, &#8220;Spence: Trial lawyers more important than doctors&#8221;, <a href="http://www.legalnewsline.com/news/217295-spence-trial-lawyers-more-important-than-doctors">Nov. 12</a>). </p>
<p><strong>More</strong> from <a href="http://americancourthouse.com/2008/11/13/fighting-for-truth-justice-and-the-american-way-superman-no-its-the-trial-bar.html">Dan Pero</a>: &#8220;Was it just bad timing or some sort of cosmic justice that Mr. Spence made this preposterous claim on Veterans Day?&#8221;</p>

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		<title>March 1 roundup</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Frank</dc:creator>
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Oregon Supreme Court plays chicken with SCOTUS over $79.5 million punitive damages award in Williams v. Philip Morris case.  [Sebok @ Findlaw; Krauss @ IBD; POL Feb. 1]
Speaking of punitive damages, I did a podcast on Exxon Shipping v. Baker. I can&#8217;t bear to listen to it, so let me know how I did. [...]]]></description>
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<li>Oregon Supreme Court plays chicken with SCOTUS over $79.5 million punitive damages award in Williams v. Philip Morris case.  [<a href="http://writ.lp.findlaw.com/sebok/20080212.html">Sebok @ Findlaw</a>; <a href="http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=288395309643611">Krauss @ IBD</a>; <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/2008/02/oregon-supreme-1.php">POL Feb. 1</a>]</li>
<li>Speaking of punitive damages, I did a podcast on <em>Exxon Shipping v. Baker</em>. I can&#8217;t bear to listen to it, so let me know how I did. [<a href="http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/pubID.664/pub_detail.asp">Frank @ Fed Soc</a>]</li>
<li>Arkansas case alleged legal sale of pseudoephedrine was &#8220;nuisance&#8221; because meth-makers would buy it; case dismissed. [<a href="http://druganddevicelaw.blogspot.com/2008/02/nuisance-litigation.html">Beck/Herrmann</a>]. This is why I&#8217;ve stockpiled Sudafed.</li>
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<li>Op-ed on the Great White fire deep pockets phenomenon. [<a href="http://www.setexasrecord.com/arguments/208505-legally-speaking-deep-pockets-shallow-justice">SE Texas Record</a>; earlier: <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/2008/02/deep_pockets_file_great_white.html">Feb. 2</a>]</li>
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<li>Legislative action on various medical malpractice tweaking in Colorado, Hawaii, and Wyoming. [<a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/tortsprof/2008/03/tort-reform-upd.html">TortsProf</a>]</li>
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<li>&#8220;So much for seduction and romance; bring in the MBAs and lawyers.&#8221; [<a href="http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html">Mac Donald @ City Journal</a>; <em>contra</em> <a href="http://lawandletters.blogspot.com/2008/02/take-back-rhetoric-on-rape.html">Belle Lettre</a>; <em>contra contra</em> <a href="http://dankprofessor.wordpress.com/2008/02/26/victimization-and-the-rape-rhetoric/">Dank</a>]</li>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Olson</dc:creator>
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<LI>Once billed as &#8220;King of Torts&#8221;, Miami asbestos lawyer faces fifteen years behind bars for stealing $13 million from clients [<a href="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-flbasbestos0919nbsep19,0,2243143.story">Sun-Sentinel</a>]</LI><br />
<LI>Groom sues bride, saying she took the ring and presents and never got the wedding paperwork straightened out leaving them legally unmarried [<a href="http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/14189375/detail.html">ClickOnDetroit</a>]</LI><br />
<LI>Surgical resident on the hook for $23 million in Wisconsin case; she was the only one of the docs involved not covered by damage limits [<a href="http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=650450">Journal Sentinel</a> via <a href="http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2007/08/surgical-resident-on-hook-for-23.html">KevinMD</a>]</LI></UL></p>

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		<title>Sued if you do, sued if you don&#8217;t.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Nieporent</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hospital X was grossly &#8212; if not criminally &#8212; negligent, and you ought to award zillions of dollars in punitive damages for their misconduct!  Consider this list of sins: this hospital knew that its surgeon was mentally ill.  He had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and they knew it.  He had been locked up in mental institutions at least twice before.  The danger here was very real.  Don&#8217;t let them try to claim they didn&#8217;t foresee danger.  Why, once when that surgeon was operating on a patient, multiple witnesses will tell you that he &#8220;became disoriented during the surgery, forgot the names of certain instruments and at one point appeared to be talking to the wall!&#8221;  Even after he was treated, two different psychiatrists who evaluated him refused to unequivocally state that he was competent.  And they let him continue to operate on vulnerable patients.  Without any supervision.  Even though they knew he had a history of failing to take his medication.</p>
<p>Well, that would be the summary of <u>my</u> argument to the jury if the surgeon in question botched my poor client&#8217;s operation and left him permanently injured.  So a hospital would have to be crazy to let this state of affairs go on, right?</p>
<p>Right.  Except that when Wyoming Valley Health Care System decided not to take any chances, and refused to let mentally ill surgeon Jonathan Haas operate without supervision, he <a href="http://www.timesleader.com/news/20070403_03Haas_tmb_ART.html">sued the hospital in federal court</a> for violating the Americans with Disabilities Act.  And this week, a Pennsylvania jury <a href="http://www.timesleader.com/news/latest/20070411_11breaking_haas.html">awarded $250,000</a> to Haas for this violation of his rights.  That&#8217;s the case, even though the Americans with Disabilities Act ostensibly has an exception for situations where employing the disabled person would be a threat to the health or safety of other people.</p>
<p>Haas&#8217;s complaint was that since he couldn&#8217;t find anybody to supervise him, the hospital&#8217;s condition effectively prevented him from acting as a surgeon.  (Oddly, once this happened, Haas moved on to a hospital in Minnesota which imposed exactly the same supervisory requirement on him, which he accepted.  But neither the judge nor jury found that relevant to the question of whether the requirement was reasonable.)</p>
<p>In short, the hospital had the choice of risking a patient&#8217;s life and being sued for malpractice, or restricting the privileges of the surgeon and being sued for discrimination.  (And we know that had a patient sued for malpractice, the hospital couldn&#8217;t possibly have defended itself by pointing to the requirements of the ADA and saying that it was forced to employ the surgeon.)</p>

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		<title>Gerry Spence&#8217;s Trial Lawyers College</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 00:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Walter Olson</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wyoming injury lawyer is known for his extended rants on the theme of the People versus the Interests, which makes it piquant to see his name turn up so prominently among exploiters of a federal tax provision intended to benefit the needy, in this case &#8212; through his Trial Lawyers College &#8212; allowing him to maintain his control over a spectacular 220-acre ranch while dodging the taxman. ABC News has the details (Jake Tapper and Avery Miller, &#8220;Wealthy Cash In on Charity Tax Loophole&#8221;, <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Politics/story?id=610830&#038;page=1">Mar. 24</a>). Trial lawyer/blogger Mike Cernovich, a satisfied customer of Spence&#8217;s seminar operation, praised it <a href="http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/2005/03/trial_lawyers_c.html">here</a>, while his co-blogger Norm Pattis more recently <a href="http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/2005/03/tax_lawyers_col.html">noted the tax-avoidance story</a>.</p>

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		<title>Center for Justice &amp; Democracy&#8217;s Zany &#8220;Zany Immunity Law Awards&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ted Frank</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many farmers use anhydrous ammonia as fertilizer, because it provides vital nitrogen nutrients to the soil.  The combustible material is produced in Louisiana, and then shipped to the Midwest on barges or through pipelines, and then stored on tanks on farms.  However, ammonia is also useful for making illegal methamphetamines, and thefts are a regular problem.  (KOMU-TV, &#8220;Law Officers Fight Ammonia Thefts&#8221;, <a href="http://www.komu.com/html/htmlWinter2004/meth052004.htm">May 19</a>).  If a thief injures himself tampering with an ammonia tank, should he be able to sue the farmer for the injury?  Three states, Kansas, Missouri, and Wyoming, say no, and provide immunity for those who store, handle, or own ammonia equipment from suit by thieves.  Legislatures are considering the issue in other midwestern states.</p>
<p>The misnamed anti-tort reform Center for Justice &#038; Democracy has noticed the success of the ATRA&#8217;s judicial hellhole campaign (<a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001813.html">Dec. 15</a>; <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/000555.html">Dec. 3, 2003</a>), and decided to respond with its own report, the &#8220;Zany Immunity Law Awards&#8221;, intended to single out &#8220;special interests&#8221; who opportunistically subvert the legislative system to get improper immunity from liability.  The cover shows a legislator receiving a statuette, cash in his pocket, and roses with a ribbon labeled &#8220;Sleaziest Legislation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exposing sleazy special-interest immunity laws is a noble sentiment&#8211;but it&#8217;s a sure sign of how few and far between such laws are that CJD singles out the sensible anhydrous ammonia immunity laws for its top ten list.  The CJD incorrectly blames the law on a supposed &#8220;anhydrous ammonia business lobby&#8221;; in fact, it&#8217;s groups like the <a href="http://www.michiganfarmbureau.com/legislative/accomplishments.php">Michigan Farm Bureau</a> that push for laws like Michigan S.B. 786.  Indeed, the only group to oppose such laws?  Trial lawyers&#8217; lobbying groups.  See also Kelly Lenz, &#8220;Fertilizer law to help farmers&#8221;, Farm and Auction, <a href="http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:TqkOs4rf6QoJ:www.farmandauction.com/stories/061302/new_lenz.html+ammonia+theft+immunity+legislation&#038;hl=en">Jun. 12, 2002</a>.</p>
<p>How ridiculous are the CJD awards?  One of the top ten &#8220;zany immunity laws&#8221; refers to &#8220;immunity&#8221; granted to placebo manufacturers and distributors.  Except the immunity in question isn&#8217;t immunity&#8211;it&#8217;s an <b>exception</b> to a criminal statute prohibiting the sale of fake drugs!  E.g., <a href="http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&#038;SubMenu=1&#038;App_mode=Display_Statute&#038;Search_String=&#038;URL=CH0817/Sec564.HTM">Fla. Stat. 817.564(6)(a)</a>.  (This is the only appearance of the word &#8220;placebo&#8221; in the Florida Code.  It&#8217;s telling that CJD omits the statutory cite in its footnotes.)  Perhaps this law is zany, but it&#8217;s hardly an example of a special interest group buying sleazy legislation that damages consumers.  A subject of a research test who is injured by adulterated placebos (has this <i>ever</i> happened?) will still have a cause of action.</p>
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Other &#8220;awards,&#8221; such as a complaint that owners of baseball facilities in three states are immune from liability for spectator injuries caused by baseballs used in a game, are similarly misguided.  For example, CJD complains about Louisiana immunity for Mardi Gras parade injuries from thrown prizes&#8211;but neglects to mention that the immunity came about from community outrage when the predominantly African-American &#8220;Zulu Krewe&#8221; announced in 1987 that it would no longer engage in the decades-old tradition of throwing decorated coconuts from floats because of liability concerns.  In any event, the immunity provided by the <a href="http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=107235">law</a> is sufficiently limited that even today, the Zulu Krewe only hands out the coconuts rather than throws them.  Heaven forfend.  (Nora Sherman, &#8220;Guide to the Mardi Gras Parades&#8221;, Tulane Arcade, <a href="http://hullabaloo.tulane.org/arcade/story.php?sid=1298&#038;section=features&#038;date=20040213">Feb. 13</a>; <a href="http://www.neworleansonline.com/neworleans/mardigras/zulu.html">Zulu history</a>).</p>
<p>In some cases, CJD simply misleads about the scope of the immunity.<br />
<blockquote>CJD: <i>[A]fter an autopsy, there are some extra body parts hanging around so the coroner puts them in [the wrong] coffin. &#8230;  Indiana&#8217;s morticians lobby made sure they wouldn&#8217;t be legally accountable for any of this.</i></p></blockquote>
<p><u>Fact</u>: A mortician is only immune for this mistake if those remains have been &#8220;hanging around&#8221; for <b>three years</b> without being placed in a coffin or urn <b>and</b> there is no written contract specifying where those remains go.  IC 23-14-55-2(c).  (And why should a cemetery owner be liable for a coroner&#8217;s mistake anyway?)<br />
<blockquote>CJD: <i>[I]n a bunch of states, an agent or real estate owner can&#8217;t be held liable for failing to tell a potential buyer or renter that the house is &#8220;psychologically affected.&#8221;  What&#8217;s scarier than a haunted house?  A statehouse that grants immunities like this one.</i></p></blockquote>
<p><u>Fact</u>: The only law that CJD cites, Indiana&#8217;s, provides &#8220;an owner or agent may not intentionally misrepresent a fact concerning a psychologically affected property in response to a direct inquiry from a transferee.&#8221;  IC 32-21-6-6.  Connecticut law similarly strips immunity when a purchaser makes affirmative inquiries.  Sec. 20-329ee.  Are you really concerned whether an HIV+ person used to live in a house?  A buyer is entitled to ask and demand disclosure (though the federal fair housing laws <a href="http://www.aegis.com/news/ads/1989/AD891984.html">may come into play</a>).  But why is CJD so concerned about protecting the rights of bigots to sue on the psychological damage self-imposed by their bigotry?  Where&#8217;s the justice in requiring a seller to admit their HIV+ status on pain of liability for failing to affirmatively do so?</p>
<p>The complaint about haunted house immunity is especially ironic, given that the famous New York haunted house case of <a href="http://www.brandeslaw.com/Lighter/stambovsky.htm"><i>Stambovsky v. Ackley</i></a>&#8211;where a court held that a buyer could back out of a home purchase because the seller failed to disclose poltergeists&#8211;is a famous poster child for a justice system run amok.  169 A.D.2d 254, 572 N.Y.S.2d 672 (1st Dept. 1991).<br />
<blockquote>CJD: <i>[M]aybe you leave [a deer] carcass out in the sun while celebrating the joy of hunting. Does that mean you can&#8217;t donate the meat to a charity&#8230;? &#8230; And if someone gets sick from eating the meat that&#8217;s gone bad, is that your fault?  Not in a bunch of states, it isn&#8217;t!  [A donor] of wild game meat for free use by a charity (a soup kitchen, for example) has limited liability for injuries or death caused by the age, condition, or packaging of the meat.</i></p></blockquote>
<p><u>Fact</u>: The fact pattern described wouldn&#8217;t result in immunity; in all of the states cited by CJD, the hunters could be sued for being grossly negligent or even reckless.<br />
<blockquote>CJD: <i>In Oklahoma, institutions using dogs unclaimed at the pound aren&#8217;t liable to the dog&#8217;s owners if they kill or injure the dog during a &#8220;scientific&#8221; experiment.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Is CJD seriously arguing that a research lab that purchases a dog about to be euthanized at the pound should bear the risk that an owner will claim the dog later?<br />
<blockquote>CJD: <i>In Arizona, a veterinarian who files a report with a local law enforcement agency, stating that he believes a dog he&#8217;s treated or examined has participated in a dogfight, is immune from liability.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Is CJD seriously claiming that vets should be liable for mistakenly reporting suspected cruelty to animals?  That&#8217;s a good way to ensure that such cruelty doesn&#8217;t get reported.<br />
<blockquote>CJD: <i>Pawnbrokers in Missouri and Nevada who don&#8217;t release or dispose of pledged property, because they&#8217;ve been ordered to hold it by a police officer, are immune from liability.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Amazing!  CJD actually contends that someone should be sued for obeying a lawful order of the police.</p>
<p>If ever there was proof that the Center for Justice and Democracy cares little for justice or democracy or consumers, it&#8217;s this report that shows the only things CJD cares about are trial lawyers and creating as much litigation as possible, regardless of its effect on justice, democracy, or consumers.</p>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Walter Olson</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I documented through the night at <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/">PointOfLaw.com</a>, voters gave doctors and the business community some major victories in yesterday&#8217;s ballot measures. Limits on malpractice lawyers&#8217; fees passed resoundingly in Florida, in a stinging rebuke to the trial bar. Among three other states considering med-mal ballot measures, doctors won decisively in Nevada and lost in Wyoming, while Oregon&#8217;s measure was slightly trailing but too close to call. (<b>Update</b> <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/000703.php">Nov. 9</a>: late returns show one of the two Wyoming measures apparently passing after all.)</p>
<p>In California, in a convincing victory for the business community and good sense, voters approved <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001510.html">Proposition 64</a> by a wide margin, requiring lawyers to demonstrate actual injury before invoking the state&#8217;s broad unfair-practices statute in private cases. (Thank you, Arnold.) Colorado voters lopsidedly defeated a trial-lawyer-sponsored measure to expand litigation over alleged construction defects. And in the two hot judicial contests, for seats on the Illinois and West Virginia Supreme Courts, trial-lawyer-backed candidates lost in both. Details on all these races can be found on <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/">PointOfLaw.com</a>. Also, voters ignored <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001675.html">this site&#8217;s advice</a> and passed all eleven state marriage amendments on the ballot.</p>
<p>Finally, some politicians whose ambitions this website has followed were locked in too-close-to-call races: Washington state AG Christine Gregoire (see <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001663.html">Oct. 28</a>) was <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/WA/G/00/index.html">slightly trailing</a> a GOP opponent in her bid for governor, while former trial lawyer lobbyist and Bush HUD secretary Mel Martinez (see <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001495.html">Sept. 3</a>) <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/FL/S/01/index.html">was leading</a> by 80,000 votes in his Florida Senate race against Democrat Betty Castor. (<b>Update</b>: Martinez wins). John Edwards&#8217;s vice-presidential ambitions seem at the moment to depend on an unlikely reversal of Ohio results in late vote counting, while his home state of North Carolina went Republican both in the presidential race and in filling Edwards&#8217;s old seat. (<b>Update</b>: Kerry and Edwards concede).</p>

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		<title>Liveblogging the ballot measures tonight (at Point of Law)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Walter Olson</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001667.html">readers</a> of this site <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB109900598687459236-IVjfYNilal3n52qbYCIcK6Gm5,00.html">know</a>, voters in six states are considering legal-reform initiatives on today&#8217;s ballot.  At my other website, the Manhattan Institute&#8217;s <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/">PointOfLaw.com</a>, I&#8217;m planning to post regularly updated live coverage tonight of election returns on the measures, with special attention to any instances where the vote totals prove to be close. (I might also post the odd comment on other races of interest.)</p>
<p>The ballot measures are: Florida&#8217;s Amendment 3 (limiting lawyers&#8217; med-mal fees), lawyer-sponsored Amendment 7 (removes confidentiality of medical peer review) and Amendment 8 (strips licenses of doctors who lose three malpractice verdicts); Wyoming&#8217;s Amendments C and D (authorizes legislative limits on med-mal awards); Oregon&#8217;s Measure 35 (limits med-mal awards); Nevada&#8217;s Question Three (limits med-mal awards) and lawyer-sponsored Questions Four (undercuts med-mal reform) and Five (forbids legislative reductions of liability); Colorado&#8217;s lawyer-sponsored Amendment 34 (expands right to sue over alleged construction defects), and California&#8217;s Proposition 64 (narrows scope of s. 17200 &#8220;unfair competition&#8221; law).</p>
<p>The timing: Florida polls close at 8 pm EST, Colorado and Wyoming at 9 pm, Nevada at 10 pm, and California and Oregon at 11 pm. I&#8217;m in the Eastern time zone, and intend to stay up until 2 am (11 pm Pacific) if that&#8217;s needed to follow any still-unresolved contests.</p>
<p><b>How readers can help</b>: I&#8217;ll have access to standard online sources that cover these sorts of votes (big-city papers, Secretary of State websites) but in the past those sources have sometimes been slow to post totals, especially on &#8220;down-ballot&#8221; issues.  I won&#8217;t have much access to local broadcast sources, for the most part. If you&#8217;ve got fresh news on your state to report, such as a local news organization&#8217;s calling a ballot contest one way or the other, email me at editor (at) pointoflaw &#8211; dotcom.</p>
<p>Once again, the liveblogging tonight will be going on at <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/">Point of Law</a>, not here. [cross-posted from Point of Law, with slight changes][bumped 2:30 pm]</p>

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		<dc:creator>Walter Olson</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Won&#8217;t we all be glad when it&#8217;s over:</p>
<p>* At Point of Law, I&#8217;ve got a post up tracking the <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/000618.php">current status of the propositions</a> on four states&#8217; ballots that would limit medical malpractice litigation or fees. The situation in Florida looks grim for doctors who&#8217;ve pushed such curbs (they&#8217;ve been outspent by their lawyer opponents, $22 million to $7 million). Voters in Nevada, Oregon and Wyoming may be better disposed toward their states&#8217; ballot measures.</p>
<p>* On Friday, Ted posted about how <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001640.html">critics of trial lawyers are getting sued</a> for running an ad commenting on the Illinois Supreme Court race.  Unfortunately, that&#8217;s just one of numerous instances in which criticizing the Litigation Lobby in paid advertisements is itself getting to be legally hazardous. In a new post at Point of Law, I list <a href="http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/000566.php">two other recent instances</a>.</p>
<p>* Both the New York Times and the National Law Journal are out with stories on the very nasty and expensive battles between business interests and trial lawyers in state supreme court races, especially those in West Virginia (see <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001102.html">May 13</a>, etc.) and Illinois (Adam Liptak, &#8220;Judicial Races in Several States Become Partisan Battlegrounds&#8221;, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24judicial.html?oref=login">Oct. 24</a>; Emily Heller, &#8220;Judicial Races Get Meaner&#8221;, National Law Journal, <a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1098217051328">Oct. 25</a>).</p>
<p>* &#8220;Voters may run a gantlet of lawyers before reaching the ballot box on Nov. 2.&#8221; The two major parties are deploying lawyers by the thousand to challenge state procedures and individual votes (Miles Benson, &#8220;Voting in a Battleground State? Prepare to Meet a Lawyer at the Polls&#8221;, syndicated/Newhouse, <a href="http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/benson102304.html">Oct. 23</a>).</p>

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